Looks promising

"Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer" (smallbear94) 03/15/2016 at 14:25 • Filed to: None

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This is a dyno sheet from the tuner I intend to go to for my truck. It is from a bone-stock truck like mine, on 87 gas. Dem gains mmmm...

One odd thing caught my eye though. 1 free internet to the first to spot it.

Sweet Trav > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:27

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Virtual Dyno?

HammerheadFistpunch > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:28

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I don’t see it, maybe the virtual dyno thing? I don’t know anything about that product.

crowmolly > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:29

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Pulls should both cross at 5252

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > crowmolly 03/15/2016 at 14:30

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Boom. Internet for you.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Sweet Trav 03/15/2016 at 14:31

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If calling out the odd item, no and crowmolly got it.

If asking what it is, it’s using the weight of the vehicle instead of the weight of the dyno roller to determine the power. Apparently it’s pretty accurate.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:32

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Ask them about it. See if they have an explanation.

Shmevans > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:34

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Is it the negligible gains in the usable rev range?

//kindofsarcasm

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. 03/15/2016 at 14:36

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Wouldn’t be a bad idea.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:36

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Are you in Buffalo, NY?

citizennick > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:37

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was the virtual dyno tested on the street or actual dyno?

Patrick Nichols > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:37

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I think quality standardized infographics should be more common in consumer products, especially cars. Specific numbers allow statistics to be manipulated, for example peak torque, hp, mpg, mpg towing etc. If people saw some of these things, maybe they would make smarter decisions rather than going for the misleading numbers some cars put out.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:39

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Is the Innovative Tuning you speak of, the one in Buffalo, NY?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Shmevans 03/15/2016 at 14:39

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Crowmolly got it.

Most gains are negligible unless you’re flat out. Most perceptable “gains” here would be from changing shift behaviour, throttle mapping, backing off torque management and so on rather than actual hp gains.

But I know what you’re saying. Still, for no actual hard parts being changed, that’s pretty good in my books.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback 03/15/2016 at 14:40

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Toronto, Canada. This guy is in Barrie.

ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:42

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Interesting, because there is an Innovative Tuning in Buffalo, NY that does awesome work. Makes me nervous about the place your looking at.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > citizennick 03/15/2016 at 14:43

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Virtual dyno is a street test. It’s the same principal of accelerating a known mass, just the mass is the vehicle itself instead of the dyno roller.

He’s apparently done testing himself back to back and come out with results that might be 1hp apart, so negligible difference. Probably better this way anyway, because it’s tested in real world conditions.

Shmevans > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:47

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Fair enough. On a truck it would be nice to see that low-end torque bump up a bit. *coughsupercharger*

citizennick > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 14:49

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I’ve used both and the difference was pretty astounding in my case but I’ve heard people say it can be accurate.

What motor do you have? I remember how the 5.3's were very detuned from the factory and gained gobs of power from a simple tune.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Patrick Nichols 03/15/2016 at 14:52

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Good idea. Too many people just look at the peaks. I mean, it’s easy for me to look at this and go meh, 9hp and 5tq gains not good enough.

But if you actually look at it properly, it’s producing the same amount of power and torque as before but 200 and 600rpm lower down.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > ArmadaExpress drives a turbo outback 03/15/2016 at 14:54

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They’re OK. That much I know. He’s actually a relative of one of the guys on Canada355 and a few others on there have been to him, so I feel alright about him.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Shmevans 03/15/2016 at 14:58

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I’ve thought about this. I DD this thing, so for the moment all I want is the best compromise I can get without going too far from stock. I want to make this the all rounder it should have been rather than pumping as much power as possible out of it.

This truck is special to me on a different level than something seriously modded. Right now it just seems a waste to cut up a relatively rare truck when I could pick up a cheap one with a 4-banger and put an even bigger engine than mine in.

If it ever comes to that though... BlowerT56CamPortedEverything

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > citizennick 03/15/2016 at 15:00

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That’s the engine :)

Lovely little thing. How much was your difference, and when dealing with how much power?

Snuze: Needs another Swede > citizennick 03/15/2016 at 15:05

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I’ve dealt with both, and found the biggest single factor is wind resistance. Even a few mph headwind (or tail wind) can throw your results off quite a bit.

Patrick Nichols > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 15:11

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I think if people paid attention to this sort of stuff, there would be less 4-cylinder light duty and v6 full size trucks for people just trying to save a buck.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Patrick Nichols 03/15/2016 at 15:13

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So basically it would make life better for those of use who buy used :)

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Snuze: Needs another Swede 03/15/2016 at 15:16

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Interesting... didn’t think of that. I guess it depends where you do it. I found a nice road near me that’s smooth, dead straight often empty and across the prevailing winds with shelter. I’ve done 0-60 runs there, and even though it’s slightly uphill (emphasis on slightly) one way I find that when I do a pass in each direction they work out the same.

citizennick > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 15:20

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I never had one, just remember my brother who specializes in LSX tuning talk about it awhile back. I don't remember the gains he was talking about but it was pretty stout going from stock to tune.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > citizennick 03/15/2016 at 15:30

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No, I mean the variation between the Dyno and Virtual Dyno numbers. How big was the gap?

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 15:36

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I was going to say, best think you can do is multiple passes each way and average your results. I have a Navy chief who hopped up random vehicles (everything from a Geo Metro to a Suburban), more for MPG gains than power gains, and would write a blog about it. That was his testing methodology.

Patrick Nichols > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 15:44

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Yep haha trying to find a reasonably priced V6 4x4 tacoma is impossible around me

citizennick > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 18:49

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Oh! On the dyno it was 260 and vdyno was 280. And I made sure I put in the correct cars weight as well as my weight.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > citizennick 03/15/2016 at 19:02

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Did you weigh it or did you use the listed weight? The weight on this run seems high to me based on the numbers I’ve seen + 2 people, but the power figures seem dead on. Could yours have been lighter than you expected? Or could you have had a noticeable tailwind?

Either way I guess I should double check on a proper dyno after, but this is still a good indicator of improvement.

sdwarf36 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/15/2016 at 21:36

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The torque/hp lines aren’t crossing at 5252 rpm.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > sdwarf36 03/15/2016 at 22:09

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Correct, but you were beaten... Crowmolly got it within 5 minutes of posting.